Posted February 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, DLimit said: Is one aware that working-class citizens are responsible for producing each and every commodity and service that one has consumed? However, the bourgeoisie or capitalist class, such as wealthy CEOs, sit on their arse throughout the entire day while accumulating millions of dollars on our hard labour. You're misinterpreting Communism for Stalinism. Working class citizens are responsible for what they want, because under capitalism they get that choice. They can work hard for more, or work little for less. As for CEO and small buisness owners they provide jobs and risked incredible amounts of money to make a buisness. So until you have to do payroll on your credit card, shut the fuck up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, Alpha said: First off you stupid idiot, talking backwards and in the first person doesn't make you smarter. And every communist government has killed millions with the death toll over hundreds of millions. Name one capitalist government that killed that many of its citizens Communist nations have not existed throughout the globe considering that such nations were governed by "The Dictatorship of the Bourgeoisie" rather than "The Dictatorship of the Proletariat". Furthermore, The United States of America and The United Kingdom has executed MILLIONS of human beings throughout the globe, including it's own citizens, on behalf of big businesses and the bourgeois-state. Whether it may be through colonialism, neo-colonialism, imperialist wars within Latin-America, Africa, Asia, or The Middle East, or the execution of dissidents such as members of the Black Panthers.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2017 Communism is a circle of Govermentd killing its citizens, and then the next generations saying it's not communism and doing it again and killing more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, Alpha said: Working class citizens are responsible for what they want, because under capitalism they get that choice. They can work hard for more, or work little for less. As for CEO and small buisness owners they provide jobs and risked incredible amounts of money to make a buisness. So until you have to do payroll on your credit card, shut the fuck up. According to the expanding income-inequality gap between the rich and the poor within Western Advanced-Capitalist Neo-Liberal Democracies, one's argument is invalid. Meritocracy ceases exist due to the expanding inequality gap since wealthy shareholders that possess a large concentration of wealth within the private sector while lobbying politicians within the public sector prevent working-class citizens from prevailing within society.http://www.parl.gc.ca/content/hoc/Committee/412/FINA/Reports/RP6380060/finarp03/finarp03-e.pdf Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, DLimit said: Communist nations have not existed throughout the globe considering that such nations were governed by "The Dictatorship of the Bourgeoisie" rather than "The Dictatorship of the Proletariat". Furthermore, The United States of America and The United Kingdom has executed MILLIONS of human beings throughout the globe, including it's own citizens, on behalf of big businesses and the bourgeois-state. Whether it may be through colonialism, neo-colonialism, imperialist wars within Latin-America, Africa, Asia, or The Middle East, or the execution of dissidents such as members of the Black Panthers.... First off, fighting wars isn't executing people, secondly, America could take over half the fucking world in hours if they were imperialist. Thirdly the black panthers were a terrorist group, but that just shows where you stand Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, Alpha said: Communism is a circle of Govermentd killing its citizens, and then the next generations saying it's not communism and doing it again and killing more. One should analyze the Cause of the "bourgeois-revolution" a.k.a. Stalin prior to arguing that Communism was responsible for such deaths. Stalin's U.S.S.R. was a State-CAPITALIST Degenerative Worker's State. One should research such information in DEPTH prior to spouting ad hominem claims at my person. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, DLimit said: According to the expanding income-inequality gap between the rich and the poor within Western Advanced-Capitalist Neo-Liberal Democracies, one's argument is invalid. Meritocracy ceases exist due to the expanding inequality gap since wealthy shareholders that possess a large concentration of wealth within the private sector while lobbying politicians within the public sector prevent working-class citizens from prevailing within society.http://www.parl.gc.ca/content/hoc/Committee/412/FINA/Reports/RP6380060/finarp03/finarp03-e.pdf That's in Canada, a place with free healthcare and many other similar communist ideas, as shown in that source Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, Alpha said: That's in Canada, a place with free healthcare and many other similar communist ideas, as shown in that source The identical scenario applies to The United States of America, The United Kingdom, Germany, South-Korea, South Africa, France etc... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, DLimit said: One should analyze the Cause of the "bourgeois-revolution" a.k.a. Stalin prior to arguing that Communism was responsible for such deaths. Stalin's U.S.S.R. was a State-CAPITALIST Degenerative Worker's State. One should research such information in DEPTH prior to spouting ad hominem claims at my person. It was not capitalist, it was a government controlled economy that was communist where people would have to wait in food lines. Tell me, why did 50 million people die under stalinStalin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, DLimit said: The identical scenario applies to The United States of America, The United Kingdom, Germany, South-Korea, South Africa, France etc... It does not apply to to all of these countries, and you did not respond to the fact that many countries on that list are very socialist, with many communist influences Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, Alpha said: It does not apply to to all of these countries, and you did not respond to the fact that many countries on that list are very socialist, with many communist influences The income-inequality gap has expanded within each and every country that was listed within the forum since the early 1900s, indicating that socialist policies were not the cause for the expanding gap. In the process, such nations had ABOLISHED or weakened an extensive amount of Socialist policies during the transition from the Keynesian economy to the Neo-Liberal economy (Free-Market). Thus, the expanding income-inequality gap is the effect of capitalism. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2017 I'll just drop a link to google here do you can look up some more communist arguments even faster! www.google.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Alpha said: I'll just drop a link to google here do you can look up some more communist arguments even faster! www.google.com Classifying Stalin's U.S.S.R. as Communist would be identical to classifying Nazi Germany as a Free-Market economy. In fact, Nazi's Germany DID privatize the military.... *chuckle* Edited February 23, 2017 by DLimit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, DLimit said: The income-inequality gap has expanded within each and every country that was listed within the forum since the early 1900s, indicating that socialist policies were not the cause for the expanding gap. In the process, such nations had ABOLISHED or weakened an extensive amount of Socialist policies during the transition from the Keynesian economy to the Neo-Liberal economy (Free-Market). Thus, the expanding income-inequality gap is the effect of capitalism. First off, that fourm is not guaranteed to be authenticit. Secondly respond to my question, why in communist china, North Korea, and The Ussr(TWICE) both kill millions of people to install communism Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, DLimit said: Classifying Stalin's U.S.S.R. would be identical to classifying Nazi Germany as a Free-Market economy. No, because Nazi Germany was very socialist and communist as well, and they openly admitted they were communists and they followed Marxist and communist policies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, Alpha said: First off, that fourm is not guaranteed to be authenticit. Secondly respond to my question, why in communist china, North Korea, and The Ussr(TWICE) both kill millions of people to install communism Stalin's U.S.S.R. was not a Communist nation considering that it was a "state-capitalist degenerative state" that was governed by the ruling class of BUREAUCRATS rather than the WORKERS. Communist China was a Social-Market Economy with a larger population growth than deaths. The DPRK classifies it's self as a "Juche" economy rather than a Communist state. Neither nations were Communist... Is the Westboro Baptist Church a Christian organization? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2017 11 minutes ago, DLimit said: The identical scenario applies to The United States of America, The United Kingdom, Germany, South-Korea, South Africa, France etc... Wait, as a person who has lived in South Africa all my life, I have to say healthcare is very expensive here. Schools too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2017 I'll end it here with a quote from Ronald Regan because I sell we will both not change How do you tell a Communist? It's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an AntiCommunist? It's someone that understands Marx and Lenin. Good day to you sir Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, Alpha said: No, because Nazi Germany was very socialist and communist as well, and they openly admitted they were communists and they followed Marxist and communist policies. Hitler executed Socialists and Communists PRIOR to executing any Jewish, Negro, or homosexual individual within the state. In fact, Hitler INFILTRATED the National Socialist Party in order to form a RIGHT-WING FASCIST STATE, identical to Stalin's infiltration of "The Council of Unions" (U.S.S.R.) in order to produce a state-capitalist degenerative worker's state. Interesting to witness the counter-revolutions that were formed against the REAL socialists considering that Trotskyists (Communists) were executed within Stalin's Gulag while the ORIGINAL NAZIS (National Socialists) were executed by Hitler. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, SkinnierSteve said: Wait, as a person who has lived in South Africa all my life, I have to say healthcare is very expensive here. Schools too. Indeed, it clearly indicates that working-class citizens are incapable of attaining access to healthcare and education considering that the petty-bourgeoisie and bourgeoisie intend to maintain their power. It's a capitalist bourgeois-state that merely serves the interests of the bourgeoisie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2017 7 minutes ago, Alpha said: I'll end it here with a quote from Ronald Regan because I sell we will both not change How do you tell a Communist? It's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an AntiCommunist? It's someone that understands Marx and Lenin. Good day to you sir How do you tell a Communist? It is one who understands Marx and Lenin. How do you tell an anti-Communist? It is one that misinterprets Stalinism as Communism, despite the evidence confirming that Josef Stalin had incarcerated the Bolshevik Party (the real Communists) within Gulags. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, DLimit said: Indeed, it clearly indicates that working-class citizens are incapable of attaining access to healthcare and education considering that the petty-bourgeoisie and bourgeoisie intend to maintain their power. It's a capitalist bourgeois-state that merely serves the interests of the bourgeoisie. The capitalists state of GOVERMENT MANDATED HEALTHCARE? That's capitalist? And Nazi stands for Nation Socialist Germans workers party. SOCIALIST you stupid fuck. The first thing he did was inact left wing policy's like gun control and high taxes. So learn your shit and shut up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2017 I'll end it here with a quote from Ronald Regan because I sell we will both not change How do you tell a Communist? It's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an AntiCommunist? It's someone that understands Marx and Lenin. Good day to you sir Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2017 Good day to everyone here, I will excuse myself from this discussion due to the fact you denied several facts and truths, and said that the USSR, both times, North Korea, and China were and are not communist. Good day Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, Alpha said: The capitalists state of GOVERMENT MANDATED HEALTHCARE? That's capitalist? And Nazi stands for Nation Socialist Germans workers party. SOCIALIST you stupid fuck. The first thing he did was inact left wing policy's like gun control and high taxes. So learn your shit and shut up. 1. Lenin and Marx advocated an ARMED STRUGGLE against the bourgeoisie. Thus, gun control would not exist within a Socialist worker's state. 2. Hitler executed Socialists and Communists within concentration camps prior to any Jewish, Negro, or homosexual citizen. 3. Hitler INFILTRATED the National Socialist party in order to form a FASCIST (Right-wing) state. Fascism includes: restricting gun Rights 4. Taxation is not a Socialist or Communist policy. In reality, Nationalizing, rather than privatizing, the industrial and agricultural sectors is a Socialist act. 5. The Nazi Regime, titled as "The Schutzstaffel", was a PRIVATE military organization that was responsible for the execution of innocent civilians within the concentration camps (Right-wing organization) You seem to ignore that Hitler had INFILTRATED the NAZI regime while Stalin had INFILTRATED the U.S.S.R.... INFILTRATED both organizations in order to form FASCIST regimes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
