party The Peoples Party

[JoelKeys 412]

First off, no. I do not intend on running for office. I am providing a party for people who do intend on running for office, who want something unique. Something that stands out, that one grape in a bunch of blackberries.

 

The Peoples Party (TPP) isn't your standard party. Our policies differ from most as you, the people arent our main priority. Do we want you to be happy? Yes, but we would rather ensure everyone is educated and employed before that. 

You may be wondering why I would say this, and the truth is that I actually care about the success of this island. I'm not gonna sit back and blow smoke up your backsides to get votes, I strive to make my candidates succeed through the truth, not a pretty face.

Taxes

For some odd reason every party wants to reduce taxes. I am one of the only people to actually want the opposite; to increase them. Now, I know what your thinking. Why would anyone want less money? Well, I intend on using your money to make your life easier. I will take a % of your income which varies depending on your salary. Now yes, it will be alot but hear me out. This % will cover many thing such as free public transport for employed individuals, free legal consultation and most importantly a free healthcare system. If you invest alot into small companies and/or charity you are eligible to file for a tax return at the end of a year, giving you back some momey for your comtribution to society. This tax will also cover any emergency service operative 3 days of food every week. Below is the taxes for salaries.

$9,999 > = 7.5% Tax

$10,000 - $19,999 = 25% Tax (Potential of 10% tax return)

$20,000 - $39,999 = 35% Tax (Potential 20% tax returns)

$40,000 - $99,999 = 45% Tax (Potential 35% tax returns)

$100,000 < = 50% Tax (Potential 45% tax returns)

On top of this, if you own a business then no matter how much you are making, there is a fixed 30% tax rate on your profits (after employee payroll). 

On any products there is a 7.5% sales tax in VAT. 

I also plan on removing sales tax during the month of December, and a 50% tax reduction on anyone earning less than $20,000 during the same month.

Goals

One of our main goals is to introduce committees that anyone in the community can volunteer for. This gives the power to the people, allowing them to voice their opinions and put forward their own ideas to be implemented. We will also have committees dedicated to communicating with prisoners and helping them to prevent themselves from reoffending. I do also want to put in place a programme in which convicts and people who cannot get employment after 2 real weeks can do community service and delivery jobs for me and earn enough to keep them alive.

As far as law enforcement goes, I plan to use those taxes to reduce crime rates significantly, giving police and other emergency services a larger yet more controlled budget. Regular patrols will occur, and you should never expect a precinct to have a slow work day.

 

I am open to more ideas but until the game comes out this is all I've got.

 

 

[Calico 114]

*Rich person that wants higher tax brackets*

[JoelKeys 412]

Just now, Calico said:

*Rich person that wants higher tax brackets*

As stated, I will not be running for office. I will be one of the rich having to pay more. Ill also have to spend money employing alot of criminals etc. so I am actually losing alot. My point is if your salary is $10/week and I take $1 of that per week, you are left with $9 but have to spend it on food, transport etc. What I'm offering is the equivalent of me taking $6 of that $10, but you are left with $4 to spend on whatever you want as I will be using that $6 to pay for your food, transport etc. The idea is that someone could use the $9 to do anything, if I am paying for your needs then you are less likely to blow all your money on drugs, food etc. and thus making you not have enough to spend on rent. Ultimately it helps with homelessness and things alike.

[Calico 114]

49 minutes ago, JoelKeys said:

As stated, I will not be running for office. I will be one of the rich having to pay more. Ill also have to spend money employing alot of criminals etc. so I am actually losing alot. My point is if your salary is $10/week and I take $1 of that per week, you are left with $9 but have to spend it on food, transport etc. What I'm offering is the equivalent of me taking $6 of that $10, but you are left with $4 to spend on whatever you want as I will be using that $6 to pay for your food, transport etc. The idea is that someone could use the $9 to do anything, if I am paying for your needs then you are less likely to blow all your money on drugs, food etc. and thus making you not have enough to spend on rent. Ultimately it helps with homelessness and things alike.

So you want socialism?

[JoelKeys 412]

Just now, Calico said:

So you want socialism?

No, that was me putting it into the simplest of terms for you to comprehend my goals. Those taxes are fairly close to the real life equivalents of that in the UK.

[JoelKeys 412]

Only difference is I will be using your taxes to benefit everyone, including yourself.

[JoelKeys 412]

Well, this party anyway. I have no interest in being Governor.

[jman9798 3]

I do but there is no way I can support a socialist party and ideas.

[JoelKeys 412]

You don't need to, but the idea isn't socialism. You don't see our motives, just affiliate yourself with another party but the ugly truth is that every other party is about as transparent as a prison wall.

[Capitalist 35]

No thanks. Don't turn Identity into a tax farm. Champange socialists are worse to deal with than communists. Atleast communists want to make everyone equally poor.

Edited December 6, 2016 by Capitalist

[JoelKeys 412]

And what taxes do you propose? Because a low tax rate is only appealing to the children here. Low tax means less government funding, which means shit cops and a high crime rate. It also means we need to pay for own healthcare and legal fees. And with no tax payments going to the lawyers, their price will go up heavily. The mature and well minded ones of this game understand that high taxes are needed, it's what they are used for that matters.

Edited December 6, 2016 by JoelKeys

[Capitalist 35]

29 minutes ago, JoelKeys said:

And what taxes do you propose? Because a low tax rate is only appealing to the children here. Low tax means less government funding, which means shit cops amd a high crime rate. It also means we need to pay for own healthcare and legal fees. And with no tax payments going to the lawyers, their price will go up heavily. The mature and well minded ones of this game understand that high taxes are needed, it's what they are used for that matters.

Not an argument.

Edited December 6, 2016 by Capitalist

[Jared 39]

Damn, those proposed taxes are high!

[JoelKeys 412]

48 minutes ago, Jared said:

Damn, those proposed taxes are high!

Well, I intend on using them to make day-to-day life easier. Plus the December bonuses are a good feature. If you really think any other party are going to be able to keep up their promises in regards to low taxes while also making the city not go to shit, you are setting yourself up for disappointment.

[SharpShep 19]

Fair enough if your in a county that cares if you die if you are not rich. Or does not want you in crippling debt for getting needed medical treatment then that is about right.

[Capitalist 35]

6 hours ago, dragon_12dk said:

"not an argument" "not an argument" "not an argument" does anything else every come out of your mouth? Just because you dislike a point he made, doesn't mean you can just run away and hide from it.

Non-factual statements and opinions, emotional outbursts etc. Are not arguments.

Edited December 9, 2016 by Capitalist

[Capitalist 35]

6 minutes ago, dragon_12dk said:

Firstly, Webster would disagree with whatever definition of argument you have in your head. Secondly I find that these "emotional outbursts" you speak of are all you, no one else.

Okay, so in what way does my argument contradict Webster´s definition of an argument? Does Webster state that an argument is based on emotional outbursts, opinions and non-facts?

Edited December 9, 2016 by Capitalist

[ErjonBerisha 17]

Holy, someone homeless will have to pay taxes lol.

[ErjonBerisha 17]

BTW with the tax so damn high, there will be more people doing illegal things just to avoid the tax so there will be more crime.

There will also be slow or downward economical growth because of the high taxes. At the start of the game you want to have low taxes so that the economy can grow quickly.

If you have low taxes, the corporations can invest more into there business so that there will be more jobs. It can also be easy for small businesses to expand because they have more money.

High taxes isn't always good.

Edited December 9, 2016 by ErjonBerisha

[Ziggabot 5]

Very much in agreement with these policies! Other parties want to hold fast to the idea that they can abolish taxes, place a gun in every hand, and allow everyone to ride off into the wild west with big sacks of money under their arms. It wont work that way. Especially early on Identity will need a well structured, and well funded EMS and police organization to keep everything from devolving into a state of chaos within the first days that we are permitted on the island. 

[Valtorix 48]

I'd support this party regardless of my financial circumstances.

[Capitalist 35]

8 hours ago, dragon_12dk said:

an argument is "an exchange of opposite views" that's all. It doesn't say "its not an argument if the opponent makes a point that hurts my feelings or makes me angry!" as you seem to think it does. Even a buffoon would know this.

Nope!

a :  a reason given in proof or rebuttal

b :  discourse intended to persuade

 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/argument

Edited December 10, 2016 by Capitalist

[JoelKeys 412]

On 9 December 2016 at 11:01 PM, ErjonBerisha said:

BTW with the tax so damn high, there will be more people doing illegal things just to avoid the tax so there will be more crime.

There will also be slow or downward economical growth because of the high taxes. At the start of the game you want to have low taxes so that the economy can grow quickly.

If you have low taxes, the corporations can invest more into there business so that there will be more jobs. It can also be easy for small businesses to expand because they have more money.

High taxes isn't always good.

Actually the opposite will intale these things. Here is a scenario for you played out in two different ways:

Scenario 1 (Low Taxes): A guy shoots and robs a woman. The police, being low funded due to the low taxes, cannot work at a good capacity to find the robber so the robber gets away. Not only does this encourage other people to do the same thing, but that woman now has to live the rest of her life in debt because she cannot pay off her medical bills. Because she cannot afford to pay them, she starts living a life of crime to keep up with her bills.

Scenario 2 (High Taxes): A well structured, trained and funded police unit is able to identify and capture the perpetrator swiftly, return the stolen items to the woman after she returns from hospital after getting her gunshot wounds treated for free. 

You can have a stable economy with low crime rates or you can have low taxes, you can't have both. 

Now you did suggest that we should keep low taxes for the first while and slowly raise them. This wouldn't work. The world complained when the price of a Freddo went up by 5p, however had this Freddo been 25p from the beginning, no one would complain. This isn't really about keeping everyone happy, it is about keeping people safe and maintaining a high living standard amongst the community as a whole. This party may not look appealing at first, however when you get into the nitty gritty, this kind of social structure is necessary to keep a high living standard. 

To finish, here is a list of things low taxes causes:

Lower education standard

Inflation, if people have more spending money, companies can milk more from you.

Under funded government/police units

Less technological advances

Little to no loans/grants to businesses, homeowners etc.

Higher crime rates

Weaker economic structure

[ErjonBerisha 17]

20 hours ago, JoelKeys said:

Actually the opposite will intale these things. Here is a scenario for you played out in two different ways:

Scenario 1 (Low Taxes): A guy shoots and robs a woman. The police, being low funded due to the low taxes, cannot work at a good capacity to find the robber so the robber gets away. Not only does this encourage other people to do the same thing, but that woman now has to live the rest of her life in debt because she cannot pay off her medical bills. Because she cannot afford to pay them, she starts living a life of crime to keep up with her bills.

Scenario 2 (High Taxes): A well structured, trained and funded police unit is able to identify and capture the perpetrator swiftly, return the stolen items to the woman after she returns from hospital after getting her gunshot wounds treated for free. 

You can have a stable economy with low crime rates or you can have low taxes, you can't have both. 

Now you did suggest that we should keep low taxes for the first while and slowly raise them. This wouldn't work. The world complained when the price of a Freddo went up by 5p, however had this Freddo been 25p from the beginning, no one would complain. This isn't really about keeping everyone happy, it is about keeping people safe and maintaining a high living standard amongst the community as a whole. This party may not look appealing at first, however when you get into the nitty gritty, this kind of social structure is necessary to keep a high living standard. 

To finish, here is a list of things low taxes causes:

Lower education standard

Inflation, if people have more spending money, companies can milk more from you.

Under funded government/police units

Less technological advances

Little to no loans/grants to businesses, homeowners etc.

Higher crime rates

Weaker economic structure

If we had lower taxes, there can be more businesses that start up therefor creating jobs. Then there will be rich people (this is where taxing the rich so little is good). The rich people will invest in the bank. The bank then invests in people that want to create a small business and that creates jobs e.g. Uber got investments from Amazons ceo and that created jobs and now who knows what it is now. Then the cycle continues. Why do the people need to live in the live of crime when they can get a job. This as you can see creates a lot of jobs and with the lots of jobs you'll be creating and the businesses you will have plenty of money to spend on police and healthcare (if it is not privatised) etc.

With your plan you will create people that are lazy so they don't get a job and then you will receive less money for your services and then because you'll need to increase your taxes then it will discourage investors to invest in the bank. Then because there is no investment there is less job and that means less people spending. This then means small businesses will go bankrupt creating less money for the bank and then it goes bankrupt because they loaned all their money out to people and they didn't receive there money back and then ECONOMIC COLLAPSE.

BTW you can try to avoid getting people lazy but it would be to late to fix it if you didn't implement a system.

Laissez-faire

Laissez faire, telle devrait être la devise de toute puissance publique, depuis que le monde est civilisé ... Détestable principe que celui de ne vouloir grandir que par l'abaissement de nos voisins! Il n'y a que la méchanceté et la malignité du coeur de satisfaites dans ce principe, et l’intérêt y est opposé. Laissez faire, morbleu! Laissez faire!!

("Leave it to itself has been the proper motto of public powers since the dawn of civilisation." "Appalling is the principle of seeking glory solely by debasing our neighbours! In it are but the malice and spitefulness of heart typical of fat cats; the public interest lies elsewhere. Leave it to itself, for the love of God! Leave it!")

Just let us be and let the world run its self and remember this is a game that promotes businesses so it will only make sense to not have high taxes

PS you can't compare freddo to taxes because you have a choice to buy it or not but with taxes its mandatory. 

PPS we don't have a military we don't need to spend a lot of money on it so the taxes you showed us won't be practical.

PPPS if you have no welfare system then you have to lower the taxes again and might get people to be less lazy.

PPPPS There won't be inflation with the low taxes method because the first type of inflation (demand-pull inflation) because the bank wont probably print a lot of money. Cost-push inflation wont happen because this is a capitalist economy where the cheaper the product the better your company and with no outside interference it won't be a problem

Edited December 21, 2016 by ErjonBerisha

[JoelKeys 412]

3 hours ago, ErjonBerisha said:

If we had lower taxes, there can be more businesses that start up therefor creating jobs. Then there will be rich people (this is where taxing the rich so little is good). The rich people will invest in the bank. The bank then invests in people that want to create a small business and that creates jobs e.g. Uber got investments from Amazons ceo and that created jobs and now who knows what it is now. Then the cycle continues. Why do the people need to live in the live of crime when they can get a job. This as you can see creates a lot of jobs and with the lots of jobs you'll be creating and the businesses you will have plenty of money to spend on police and healthcare (if it is not privatised) etc.

With your plan you will create people that are lazy so they don't get a job and then you will receive less money for your services and then because you'll need to increase your taxes then it will discourage investors to invest in the bank. Then because there is no investment there is less job and that means less people spending. This then means small businesses will go bankrupt creating less money for the bank and then it goes bankrupt because they loaned all their money out to people and they didn't receive there money back and then ECONOMIC COLLAPSE.

BTW you can try to avoid getting people lazy but it would be to late to fix it if you didn't implement a system.

Laissez-faire

Laissez faire, telle devrait être la devise de toute puissance publique, depuis que le monde est civilisé ... Détestable principe que celui de ne vouloir grandir que par l'abaissement de nos voisins! Il n'y a que la méchanceté et la malignité du coeur de satisfaites dans ce principe, et l’intérêt y est opposé. Laissez faire, morbleu! Laissez faire!!

("Leave it to itself has been the proper motto of public powers since the dawn of civilisation." "Appalling is the principle of seeking glory solely by debasing our neighbours! In it are but the malice and spitefulness of heart typical of fat cats; the public interest lies elsewhere. Leave it to itself, for the love of God! Leave it!")

Just let us be and let the world run its self and remember this is a game that promotes businesses so it will only make sense to not have high taxes

PS you can't compare freddo to taxes because you have a choice to buy it or not but with taxes its mandatory. 

PPS we don't have a military we don't need to spend a lot of money on it so the taxes you showed us won't be practical.

PPPS if you have no welfare system then you have to lower the taxes again and might get people to be less lazy.

PPPPS There won't be inflation with the low taxes method because the first type of inflation (demand-pull inflation) because the bank wont probably print a lot of money. Cost-push inflation wont happen because this is a capitalist economy where the cheaper the product the better your company and with no outside interference it won't be a problem

We can't work based off of assumptions that rich businessmen will invest in banks, nor that banks will invest in smaller businesses. In politics we have no control over what you spend your money on, only law enforcement can do that and since they follow the laws we make, and I can't make it compulsory to invest. We use taxes to invest in smaller businesses of amounts up to $15,000 for a startup and any amount if you have an already established business. This guarantees smaller businesses have a chance. As I have flawlessly explained, lower taxes actually increases crime rates, so your point "why do people have to live a life of crime" is rendered invalid, especially as people won't be ABLE to do this with a well funded law enforcement structure.

I implore you to explain how my plan makes people lazy. Again, you are basing an argument off of speculation which isn't a valid response. Higher taxes don't always lead to economic collapse, the UK has high taxes and has a very strong economy. The media says we don't have a good economy but that's only because it has had dips, if you look at statistics we are a fairly stable country. America has very high taxes yet they are one of the most stable countries in the world economically. You are making too many assumptions, these chains of "This will happen, as a result this will happen, then this will happen" etc. are speculatory, I have evidence and real world examples strengthening my argument. Please give me an example where my structure has failed IRL.

I can compare Freddos to taxes because I am not making a statement that taxes aren't mandatory, I am using the principle that it is much better to start something early on so people get used to it rather than implement it down the line. I'll use an example of parent punishing their kids. If you slap a kid on the wrist since birth when they do something bad, they will quickly learn not to do bad things. If you don't touch them for 15 years, then start slapping them, statistically speaking it tends to work substantially less. 

My taxes will ensure that people get an education, and that they get a stable career. I plan on investing in @Herzog's (I believe) University system, making it free to the public. Without this, less people will buy an education, thus creating more under educated and unemployed citizens.

I never actually mentioned military I don't believe so that was irrelevant.

You are looking at low taxes wrong. You think people earning less will result in people not wanting to work, people earning less will result in people having to work to get by rather than sitting on welfare doing nothing for society while taking anything they need.

I don't quite understand your last point, I explained why lower taxes would cause inflation. A counter argument would require you to prove my argument wrong by giving an equal and opposite argument or providing factual statements as to why I am wrong.