Nudity (Not PRON!)

[jjustgreg 5]

Hello!

So a year or so ago maybe longer, I posted the suggestion of "Nudity".

Some people were for, some people were anti-nudity and some devs were unsure.

This game will have a rating of 18+, it's a roleplaying game and it handles mature subjects as "Drugs, murder and Alcohol".

So why not nudity?

 

Just to counter the "arguments" that were used last time I posted this.

 

"Nudity in the game will ensure that this game won't be able to go on steam"

WRONG. Nudity is allowed on steam, look at Conan exiles and Rust.

 

"Nudity will create rape culture. Males will harass females"

Yes and no. Sure, there will be some that would run around with their penis out, this won't be disputed.

But there are also people who will run around doing drugs, robbing people and drunk driving.

Like with Rust and Conan, you could have 3 options. 1, no nudity, which would censor everything for the player.

2, Topless nudity only. or 3, full nudity. Those who don't like nudity can turn it off, and those who would like it, can turn it on.

 

"If you want nudity so much, why don't you just go to a porn website?"

Because nudity =/= porn. It's as stupid as me saying "If you like murder so much, why don't you just find snuff films online?". It's a non argument.

 

"The Devs want this game on Twitch, nudity most likely won't pass on Twitch"

As stated before, if you have the 3 options "No nudity, Topless or Full" it should be fine. Rust and Conan can still be played on Twitch, just with the nudity filter to "No nudity"

 

"Why do you want nudity in the game?"

Because it adds to the roleplaying experience. Like it or not, this game is a "Simulator" type game.

I understand that some Americans find it easier to let their kids watch gruesome hardcore gore movies, than have them see a nipple. But as a European, nudity is simply not that big of a deal. As stated previously, this game will have an 18+ rating anyway, so why shy away from a nipple?

 

If the devs want to add it or not, is up to them. I personally think that it could be a good addition.

Even if it's "just for in the appartment".

 

 

Edited April 5, 2018 by jjustgreg

[LuckyDuck 1,444]

@jjustgregThe devs don't want nudity either, due to the fact that it wouldn't be immersive seeing people running around naked. Yes, you can likely be topless but you cannot have no underwear. Also the characters have no parts modelled in the first place and so really you won't see anything there. They don't plan on adding nudity and well yes they maybe should add it just when you go to the shower in your house/apartment but they shouldn't have any nudity where people are running the map naked. That is not going to add to the RP outside but rather ruin it. (IMO) 

[LordBenji 210]

Plus the developers want it to be allowed on Twitch and other streaming platforms. Drugs will pass, nudity most likely won't.

[jjustgreg 5]

@LuckyDuck I understand where you're coming from, but you will still have people driving around drunk. That's also pretty unreleastic when there are 20 people or so doing that. I assume that running around naked in the streets would have the police run after that person.  Even if they just add nudity of in your house, I think it would add more than make it negative. But then again,  it's always the players themselves who choose how they use certain options in the game.

@LordBenji As I stated in my post, they could do the "3 options" like Conan and Rust have, and those games can easily go on Twitch without any problem what so ever

 

[LuckyDuck 1,444]

3 minutes ago, jjustgreg said:

I understand where you're coming from, but you will still have people driving around drunk. That's also pretty unreleastic when there are 20 people or so doing that. I assume that running around naked in the streets would have the police run after that person.  Even if they just add nudity of in your house, I think it would add more than make it negative. But then again,  it's always the players themselves who choose how they use certain options in the game.

First of all, drunk driving is more common IRL than a naked person running the streets. Second, I have never seen a naked person run the streets ever and so it is actually rarer than anything towards drunk driving.

People drink drove all the time and you can know this by listening to the news where people getting killed by a car from drunk drivers. Drunk driving is an actual good reason for a cop to chase someone compared to naked people.

[yaxy123 1]

@jjustgregThe problem here is the intention, when someone is streaking (running around naked) they're most likely doing it to troll. Drunk driving on the other hand is more realistic and something that actually happens and the intention isn't to troll.

Also, where would you have an RP situation that would be improved by nudity? the only reason I can think of is immersion, so for example a showering scene but in this case you would probably only model the back of the character since some might find nudity awkward and weird censored or not. You also gotta take into consideration that this will cost money as well as take time, money and time that could be spent on other more important things.

Then you also gotta think of whether it is fun for the cops to chase this person down, if I were a cop I would rather chase a drunk driver than deal with some annoying streaker.

Edited April 5, 2018 by yaxy123
added 3rd paragraph

[LordBenji 210]

If you want nudity, there's plenty of games for that. Identity is about cops, criminals, business, and interacting with other players. If the developers doesn't want nudity, that's their choice. 

[Xzothi 54]

47 minutes ago, LordBenji said:

Plus the developers want it to be allowed on Twitch and other streaming platforms. Drugs will pass, nudity most likely won't.

 

I don't find that true when a game like second life is allowed on twitch.  An that game has everything from nudity to sex and everything else.  Also there is Mortal Online a game were you can run around fully naked. An that game is also allowed on twitch. 

Edited April 5, 2018 by Xzothi
forgot something.

[jjustgreg 5]

13 minutes ago, LuckyDuck said:

First of all, drunk driving is more common IRL than a naked person running the streets. Second, I have never seen a naked person run the streets ever and so it is actually rarer than anything towards drunk driving.

People drink drove all the time and you can know this by listening to the news where people getting killed by a car from drunk drivers. Drunk driving is an actual good reason for a cop to chase someone compared to naked people.

 

Now you're taking personal experience and translate it to reality. I've never seen a drunk driver in my life, however I have seen streakers. Does this mean that drunk driving shouldn't be in the game, because I personally have seen more streakers than drunk drivers? Is it rarer in statistics? I couldn't say, as it really differs from country to country.

We are both right and wrong at the same time when it comes to this. I respect your point of view and I'm happy you chime into the conversation, that's important, so thank you :3.

@yaxy123 You can't say that for sure. People could roleplay as a streaker, and to say that "drunk driving" has no intention to troll, then you are half right. Sure some don't do it to troll, but with any game that includes the ability to drive drunk, people will do it even knowing they could Randomly kill people. So yes, and no.

 

@LordBenji If you're not going to use arguments but use "if you want X then go do X", then simply leave the conversation. It shows lack of maturity.

 

Edited April 5, 2018 by jjustgreg

[yaxy123 1]

18 hours ago, jjustgreg said:

Now you're taking personal experience and translate it to reality. I've never seen a drunk driver in my life, however I have seen streakers. Does this mean that drunk driving shouldn't be in the game, because I personally have seen more streakers than drunk drivers? Is it rarer in statistics? I couldn't say, as it really differs from country to country.

We are both right and wrong at the same time when it comes to this. I respect your point of view and I'm happy you chime into the conversation, that's important, so thank you :3.

@yaxy123 You can't say that for sure. People could roleplay as a streaker, and to say that "drunk driving" has no intention to troll, then you are half right. Sure some don't do it to troll, but with any game that includes the ability to drink drunk, people will do it even knowing they could Randomly kill people. So yes, and no.

 

@LordBenji If you're not going to use arguments but use "if you want X then go do X". It shows lack of maturity.

 

 

The record of most streakers at once was with 1,543 streakers at University of Georgia in 1974, the annual self-reported alcohol-impaired driving among american adults 2014 was 111 million that would be roughly 300,000 in a day or 3 EVERY SECOND if we look at in a day compared to the record that would have a factor of roughly 200. While this isn't the greatest statistical evidence it still shows a massive difference in how common they are. I would use better data if I could find any statistics on annual streaking but that doesn't seem to be common enough to collect data on.

I would find it very weird for someone to drunk drive to "troll" since it would make them suffer possibly jail time and a suspended drivers license (if that's a thing), while streaking might get you a fine, making it much more doable.
This addition of nudity is only going to create trouble for communities that don't want people streaking as well, since it would mean they would have to police that on top of everything else.

I really can't see the benefits of adding nudity and the developers as well since they haven't even considered it. Also if you're going to criticize how James argued, let me give you some constructive feedback on how to discuss, not argue since that is with an objective of winning. Address every point made by the counter arguing person otherwise he will have to repeat himself and you will look like you're "arguing" in bad faith.

Edited April 6, 2018 by yaxy123
Fixed a typo, and changed "us" to american. Added 3 to the "EVERY SECOND" part.

[LordBenji 210]

22 minutes ago, Xzothi said:

I don't find that true when a game like second life is allowed on twitch.  An that game has everything from nudity to sex and everything else.  Also there is Mortal Online a game were you can run around fully naked. An that is also allowed on twitch. 

 

Any pornographic material is against the terms of service of Twitch (paragraph 9-i). https://www.twitch.tv/p/legal/terms-of-service/

I know some Twitch users got banned for showing nudity, from what I've read in the past.

17 minutes ago, jjustgreg said:

@LordBenji If you're not going to use arguments but use "if you want X then go do X", then simply leave the conversation. It shows lack of maturity.

If that's all you have to say... I don't know what you ate today, but you certainly didn't like what I've said.

Let's be clear, my argument is that if the developers doesn't want to focus in adding nudity in this game, then it's their choices after all. So if you want nudity, you still have other games you can play, like Conan Exile, The Witcher 3, etc. I have never said to leave Identity, did I? I was just informing you that Identity won't focus in nudity, but that other games can satisfy you if you want that. Thing is, there might be a chance to have modding support in the far future, and you know what that means if they ever decide to do that.

On a side note, I don't think it was very nice to just throw that my reply was a sign of immaturity. The point of a discussion is to provide true information, constructive criticism or opinion, as long as it doesn't end up in flaming.

[jjustgreg 5]

43 minutes ago, yaxy123 said:

The record of most streakers at once was with 1,543 streakers at University of Georgia in 1974, the annual self-reported alcohol-impaired driving among amarican adults 2014 was 111 million that would be roughly 300,000 in a day or EVERY SECOND if we look at in a day compared to the record that would have a factor of roughly 200. While this isn't the greatest statistical evidence it still shows a massive difference in how common they are. I would use better data if I could find any statistics on annual streaking but that doesn't seem to be common enough to collect data on.

I would find it very weird for someone to drunk drive to "troll" since it would make them suffer possibly jail time and a suspended drivers license (if that's a thing), while streaking might get you a fine, making it much more doable.
This addition of nudity is only going to create trouble for communities that don't want people streaking as well, since it would mean they would have to police that on top of everything else.

I really can't see the benefits of adding nudity and the developers as well since they haven't even considered it. Also if you're going to criticize how James argued, let me give you some constructive feedback on how to discuss, not argue since that is with an objective of winning. Address every point made by the counter arguing person otherwise he will have to repeat himself and you will look like you're "arguing" in bad faith.

 

As I stated before, it can differ from country to country. We could very easily talk about "Gun violence" and compare a lot of different countries. As you state "American Adults". I'm not from the US, and not everyone here is from the US.

"I would find it very weird for someone to drunk drive to "troll" since it would make them suffer possibly jail time and a suspended drivers license (if that's a thing)"
Robbing people can get you jailed as well. To think that NOBODY will "Troll" with drunk driving, is extremely naive. Just look at games like GTA:O, people find it funny to drive drunk and try to hold their cars straight. That is also trolling. And the thing you forget, is that servers can pretty much dictate the punishment for things. For example, they could have the nudity settings for all the "Official" servers on "No nudity". Not only that, they could simply say that streaking/trolling can put you X amount of time in jail.

"I really can't see the benefits of adding nudity"
If that's what you think, that's great. You can have your opinion. I can easily say that "I don't see the benefits of adding guns as it can be used to troll people". "I don't see the benefits of adding drugs/alcohol/anything".
Just because a game has features, doesn't mean you're FORCED to use them. It's about adding immersion for people who want that.
Just because YOU won't use it, doesn't mean IT SHOULDN'T be in there.
The "trolling" concerns you have with it, I just told you how easy it is to fix that. Heck, even prevent it, without ignoring the entire feature for everyone.

They could've made an simple "cops and robbers" game, but they added so many features, because the devs know, that even though not all of them will be used perse, it's about giving the players choice.

 

@LordBenji The reason I don't go into further discussion with you is simple. I gave you answers, yet you keep repeating the same thing. Again, I answered your concerns about "Twitch" and "Nudity", yet you choose to ignore that, and again post something from Twitch, which I already gave an answer to.

Yes, in the end it's the DEVS who decide what goes in the game, and what won't. That's why this is in the "Suggestions" section. If you look at the other topics in the "suggestion" section, you will see a buttload of things that "The devs didn't want to put in".
I'm always open to discussion, but if you ignore me AND @Xzothi , then you shouldn't be angry at me, when I see your post as "Not adding to the discussion".
In the end, you and I can have different opinions. You could hate the idea, and I could love it. It doesn't matter. It's about adding things to the conversation. For example, if you hate the idea, give me some arguments as to why adding nudity would be seen as a negative?
I'm not asking for some MMO Porno nonsense, simply adding immersion, and even giving answers as to how they can be implemented, without the game having to suffer from Steam or Twitch. If anything, it would actually drive more people to the game. Some because they want "Tiddies" and some because they like the idea of a sim game with this scale, having the option to choose how far the immersion goes.

Edited April 6, 2018 by jjustgreg

[Cstove 374]

9 minutes ago, jjustgreg said:

As I stated before, it can differ from country to country. We could very easily talk about "Gun violence" and compare a lot of different countries. As you state "American Adults". I'm not from the US, and not everyone here is from the US.

"I would find it very weird for someone to drunk drive to "troll" since it would make them suffer possibly jail time and a suspended drivers license (if that's a thing)"
Robbing people can get you jailed as well. To think that NOBODY will "Troll" with drunk driving, is extremely naive. Just look at games like GTA:O, people find it funny to drive drunk and try to hold their cars straight. That is also trolling. And the thing you forget, is that servers can pretty much dictate the punishment for things. For example, they could have the nudity settings for all the "Official" servers on "No nudity". Not only that, they could simply say that streaking/trolling can put you X amount of time in jail.

"I really can't see the benefits of adding nudity"
If that's what you think, that's great. You can have your opinion. I can easily say that "I don't see the benefits of adding guns as it can be used to troll people". "I don't see the benefits of adding drugs/alcohol/anything".
Just because a game has features, doesn't mean you're FORCED to use them. It's about adding immersion for people who want that.
Just because YOU won't use it, doesn't mean IT SHOULDN'T be in there.
The "trolling" concerns you have with it, I just told you how easy it is to fix that. Heck, even prevent it, without ignoring the entire feature for everyone.

They could've made an simple "cops and robbers" game, but they added so many features, because the devs know, that even though not all of them will be used perse, it's about giving the players choice.

 

@LordBenji The reason I don't go into further discussion with you is simple. I gave you answers, yet you keep repeating the same thing. Again, I answered your concerns about "Twitch" and "Nudity", yet you choose to ignore that, and again post something from Twitch, which I already gave an answer to.

Yes, in the end it's the DEVS who decide what goes in the game, and what won't. That's why this is in the "Suggestions" section. If you look at the other topics in the "suggestion" section, you will see a buttload of things that "The devs didn't want to put in".
I'm always open to discussion, but if you ignore me AND @Xzothi , then you shouldn't be angry at me, when I see your post as "Not adding to the discussion".
In the end, you and I can have different opinions. You could hate the idea, and I could love it. It doesn't matter. It's about adding things to the conversation. For example, if you hate the idea, give me some arguments as to why adding nudity would be seen as a negative?
I'm not asking for some MMO Porno nonsense, simply adding immersion, and even giving answers as to how they can be implemented, without the game having to suffer from Steam or Twitch. If anything, it would actually drive more people to the game. Some because they want "Tiddies" and some because they like the idea of a sim game with this scale, having the option to choose how far the immersion goes.

 

It’s not gonna be in the game.  Sure there are some RP purposes for it.  But the devs have good reasons for why it’s not in the game.  That’s all there is to it, not trying to be an ass, but it’s not gonna be in the game, so no point in arguing it anymore.

[Xzothi 54]

4 hours ago, LordBenji said:

Any pornographic material is against the terms of service of Twitch (paragraph 9-i). https://www.twitch.tv/p/legal/terms-of-service/

I know some Twitch users got banned for showing nudity, from what I've read in the past.

If that's all you have to say... I don't know what you ate today, but you certainly didn't like what I've said.

Let's be clear, my argument is that if the developers doesn't want to focus in adding nudity in this game, then it's their choices after all. So if you want nudity, you still have other games you can play, like Conan Exile, The Witcher 3, etc. I have never said to leave Identity, did I? I was just informing you that Identity won't focus in nudity, but that other games can satisfy you if you want that. Thing is, there might be a chance to have modding support in the far future, and you know what that means if they ever decide to do that.

On a side note, I don't think it was very nice to just throw that my reply was a sign of immaturity. The point of a discussion is to provide true information, constructive criticism or opinion, as long as it doesn't end up in flaming.

 

Yes it is...doesn't mean games are banned from being played that have nudity and pornographic material. Conan Exiles even has a dick slider with there nudity.  In fact watch this steam on twitch with nudity in full display at the start https://www.twitch.tv/videos/243408015 

So as you see nudity can be on twitch.  Yet no bans  Here is Mortal Online showing nudity too.  18 in you see a naked girl and before that you see a naked guy chopping wood.  https://www.twitch.tv/videos/246679067

 

If you doubt second life has been streamed because you can do anything sex and otherwise here is a twitch video of it. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/245818895

Here is the stream section https://www.twitch.tv/directory/game/Second Life/videos/all

 

So please tell me more how nudity in games is not allowed or that the game will be banned because there is nudity and or sex in it. Sure developers do not want to put it in and that is fine. Just don't say it is because the game will be banned from twitch is why they don't want it. Since that is not true. 

 

::Edit in:: Now I will say it again none of this means twitch allows you to display pornographic material on your channel. (Clearly allows nudity if it is game related though since you can find it fairly easy in these games.) Some games that are only have sex have been banned from twitch it self. That wouldn't be a factor here though. An again the developers do not want it in and that is there choice. Just don't give me the myth of nudity in games is not allowed on twitch and any game displaying this gets the games banned from twitch.

Edited April 6, 2018 by Xzothi
Editing in something to help clear what I am saying.

[Xzothi 54]

Now about this topic as a whole I personally do not care if it is in or not. Since it is not something I care enough about. But I will say if they do add it in I hope they do a option like in Mortal online has where you can hide the nudity. So that you don't have to see it if you don't want to. 

[dmonic 10]

3 hours ago, Xzothi said:

Now about this topic as a whole I personally do not care if it is in or not. Since it is not something I care enough about. But I will say if they do add it in I hope they do a option like in Mortal online has where you can hide the nudity. So that you don't have to see it if you don't want to. 

 

especially if your playing it in the living room

[Alex77 30]

You just call the police if someone is naked outside,just make it realistic..there are still rp.. 

[yaxy123 1]

17 hours ago, jjustgreg said:

As I stated before, it can differ from country to country. We could very easily talk about "Gun violence" and compare a lot of different countries. As you state "American Adults". I'm not from the US, and not everyone here is from the US.

"I would find it very weird for someone to drunk drive to "troll" since it would make them suffer possibly jail time and a suspended drivers license (if that's a thing)"
Robbing people can get you jailed as well. To think that NOBODY will "Troll" with drunk driving, is extremely naive. Just look at games like GTA:O, people find it funny to drive drunk and try to hold their cars straight. That is also trolling. And the thing you forget, is that servers can pretty much dictate the punishment for things. For example, they could have the nudity settings for all the "Official" servers on "No nudity". Not only that, they could simply say that streaking/trolling can put you X amount of time in jail.

"I really can't see the benefits of adding nudity"
If that's what you think, that's great. You can have your opinion. I can easily say that "I don't see the benefits of adding guns as it can be used to troll people". "I don't see the benefits of adding drugs/alcohol/anything".
Just because a game has features, doesn't mean you're FORCED to use them. It's about adding immersion for people who want that.
Just because YOU won't use it, doesn't mean IT SHOULDN'T be in there.
The "trolling" concerns you have with it, I just told you how easy it is to fix that. Heck, even prevent it, without ignoring the entire feature for everyone.

They could've made an simple "cops and robbers" game, but they added so many features, because the devs know, that even though not all of them will be used perse, it's about giving the players choice.

 

@LordBenji The reason I don't go into further discussion with you is simple. I gave you answers, yet you keep repeating the same thing. Again, I answered your concerns about "Twitch" and "Nudity", yet you choose to ignore that, and again post something from Twitch, which I already gave an answer to.

Yes, in the end it's the DEVS who decide what goes in the game, and what won't. That's why this is in the "Suggestions" section. If you look at the other topics in the "suggestion" section, you will see a buttload of things that "The devs didn't want to put in".
I'm always open to discussion, but if you ignore me AND @Xzothi , then you shouldn't be angry at me, when I see your post as "Not adding to the discussion".
In the end, you and I can have different opinions. You could hate the idea, and I could love it. It doesn't matter. It's about adding things to the conversation. For example, if you hate the idea, give me some arguments as to why adding nudity would be seen as a negative?
I'm not asking for some MMO Porno nonsense, simply adding immersion, and even giving answers as to how they can be implemented, without the game having to suffer from Steam or Twitch. If anything, it would actually drive more people to the game. Some because they want "Tiddies" and some because they like the idea of a sim game with this scale, having the option to choose how far the immersion goes.

 

I used the US since it the record was held there, and it was by no means made to be a good statistical analysis, it was made to show you that there is a major difference, stop trying to invalidate my argument by trying to interpret it as if I was trying to show you that it is exactly this amount, I took america as an example if you are not sissified go do your own analysis and let's see what you find, I would be incredibly surprised if you found a differing result. As for the comparison between gun violence and streaking... gun violence is a big problem in the US right now because of the culture and laws, streaking not so much, maybe they have a bigger interest in it since they enjoy sports more? but the US is also quite happy when it comes to drinking and driving this is biased towards you since they are 4th on most drinking and driving in the world (percentage wise). Please next time you respond use statistics/facts or logic, instead of making petty attempts at trying to throw common fallacies without looking if they are correct or not.

Robbing people and driving drunk is not even close to the same thing. GTA and this game is vastly different, this game is supposed to be realistic and gta is supposed to be fun, even if you go on a RP server this will be the case because the game itself was made to be fun. I don't think people will go drive drunk to troll as much as people will with streaking because it's much easier, to drunk drive you first need a car to do it with, to streak you just take all your clothes of and start running around. "And the thing you forget, is that servers can pretty much dictate the punishment for things." Of course you could make it harsher but that wouldn't be realistic, I also said this: "This addition of nudity is only going to create trouble for communities that don't want people streaking as well, since it would mean they would have to police that on top of everything else." adding an option to turn it off is just more work for developers which connects me to my next point STOP, STOP, STOP, making these horrible comparisons, me saying I don't believe in the benefit of adding nudity is not without reasoning, I was saying that the resources necessary to make this could be spent on much more important and better things, as this would just be weird and potentially trouble creating as this might create a culture of sex, rape e.t.c. which could get bad press about the game, even if there is an option to turn it off. And if you the player finds it inappropriate and weird/annoying turning it off won't help the attention seeking streakers or weird naked people.

"Just because YOU won't use it, doesn't mean IT SHOULDN'T be in there." Since we're taking logic as opinions now: just because YOU will use it, doesn't mean IT SHOULD be in there.
I get what you're trying to say "more features => better" but that isn't the case, instead of adding nudity they could add more guns or make the guns feel better e.t.c. something people would consider more important and would create a better game, most really good games out there do one thing or a few things really good, while most bad games with big budgets try doing a lot of things and therefor fail miserably because the game becomes less fun, this is basic game design.

Now I guess I'll chime in on the twitch discussion: Since the game will have drugs, weapons, murder e.t.c it's already a very adult game, if you add nudity on top of it that might make the game not allowed for twitch, if you wanna take examples like Conan exiles, let me take an example: yandare simulator, it has no nudity and still is banned... why? because it features killing students a main aspect of the game (while not true that's their reasoning), and twitch has recently become more strict with this, so if you add nudity on top of it that might become a problem even with an option to turn it on and off, especially since there might be some streaking/rape/sex going on twitch might just pull the plug to avoid bad press or losing sponsors.

Now adding nudity might increase popularity, I don't know if you know this but a lot of people that are hyped for identity are not edgy, horny teens, if they see this weird stuff going on in things like compilations they might consider the game too weird for them. 

Now to add another point on the discussion:
What about people that want to turn it off but get their immersion ruined because someone is RP:ing naked but on your screen they have boxers or trousers on?

Now I feel like telling you a bit about myself:
I have Skyrim and Fallout 4, I mod the crap out of them, this includes mods with nudity and I find it more immersive/fun and so I would probably enjoy some RP situations that could arise but I'm not arguing for myself but rather what would be best for the game as I would find it a lot more fun to have more people and most likely mature people RP:ing seriously than having a few funny interactions with nudity.

Now before you say "if people don't find censored nudity immersive just turn it on", some people might not find it enjoyable seeing dicks flopping all over the place, and other might be in a living room around other people. Would you like your mom or dad seeing you playing a game with a nude characters?

 

Edited April 6, 2018 by yaxy123

[Good_Citizen 6]

In my honest opinion; they should consider taking the family filter off this game. As we all know; the users enforce the rules in the game. What generally happens when you are caught walking outside in the nude? The cops will stop you and charge you with indecent exposure. It wouldn't hurt though; creating certain areas; in the game, where players can be nude. Maybe a nude beach or an indoor hangout spot. Has anyone seen the movie; WHEN A GIRL WALKS INTO THE BAR? In that movie, there is a scene where Rosario Dawson is held up at a massage parlor and she escorts the perps to a backroom where a tone of members are playing ping pong and a variety of activities in the nude.  It wouldn't hurt if Identity developers created private hangout spots like this. Anyone caught nude out of these areas would be severely fined or jailed for a number of in-game hours.  

Edited April 6, 2018 by Good_Citizen

[LordBenji 210]

As you guys seem offended, I'll just nicely get out of the conversation. Thank you very much and have a nice day.

[jjustgreg 5]

@yaxy123 Oh wow, first off. You talk about Fallacies, and then make a buttload of them yourself. Anyways let me tackle your points.

" this game is vastly different, this game is supposed to be realistic " 
Yes, and adding nudity makes it unrealistic....?

" I don't think people will go drive drunk to troll as much as people will with streaking because it's much easier "
And I don't think people will run around as much naked as you think. Why? Because this game is mature in itself. Sure, you will always have kiddies playing games they shouldn't, because some parents suck at their job. Not the responsibility of the creators. If you really think people won't randomly kill people, or drunk drive to "troll", but you do think they will do that with streaking, you're extremely naive. We both know people will use any tool they have to troll. Trolls will be trolls, with or without nudity.

" This addition of nudity is only going to create trouble for communities that don't want people streaking as well "
Then the server can simply change the nudity filter.

" I don't believe in the benefit of adding nudity is not without reasoning, I was saying that the resources necessary to make this could be spent on much more important and better things "
Because modeling a simple penis is more difficult than let's say a gun? YOU find it a waste of time, I don't. We can discuss for hours on end about if it's a waste of time or not, as this is subjective and not objective.

" as this might create a culture of sex, rape "
This is typically American. Oh gore and bloodshed is fine for little Timmy, but a nipple!!!!! RAPE CULTURE!!!!! So you're totally fine glorifying a "Murder" and "drug use" culture, but nudity = rape. Okay.

" let me take an example: yandare simulator, it has no nudity and still is banned "
Yandere Simulator was banned, as when Twitch looked at it, it was for a few reasons. 1, It's about school girls, which Twitch persumed were underage. Second, there was an ability that they did remove, but it included having them naked. The example of Yandere is mainly an exception rather than the rule. 

" I don't know if you know this but a lot of people that are hyped for identity are not edgy, horny teens, if they see this weird stuff going on in things like compilations they might consider the game too weird for them.  "
Well if they aren't "Edgy, horny teens" then why are you so afraid the nudity will create a "rape culture" and have those "non edgy, horny teens" troll people? You defeat your own argument. We both know there will people running around naked, but we also both know that people will troll through, random killing, grieving, drunk driving and especially voice abuse. If nudity is the thing that makes people "leave" because it's too weird for them, then they aren't mature enough to play the game in the first place.

"What about people that want to turn it off but get their immersion ruined because someone is RP:ing naked but on your screen they have boxers or trousers on? "
No, I'm not talking about trousers. I'm talking about blurring.

" Would you like your mom or dad seeing you playing a game with a nude characters? "
And this is the thing that destroys your argument about "Most are not edgy horny teens". I don't care about anyones parents, because this game is 18+. If your parents scream at the thought of you seeing a nipple, it just means you're not the right age to play it.

Here's the biggest problem. You and I will never agree on this. Why? Because we differ too much culturally.
The way you look at nudity and the way you want to "Prevent" it from going in the game, is the exact same way I look at guns and murder.
You think murder and gore = perfectly exceptable. Whilst I think that about nudity.
I don't care how many stats you grab about "Real life" drunk driving. It will be used as a method of trolling in the game, and you know that.
Trollers will always find a way to troll. And if your way to combat "trolling" is to remove features. Then, let's remove guns, drugs, cars, voice chat and anything that makes an 18+ game fun. That way nobody will troll, because nobody is playing.

[Anonymous_Citizen 75]

Please just let this die.