Why? If you know a release date then what is the purpose of not telling us it?

I completely get what you are saying. I share the feeling that I would rather pay more money for a game I can trust, this one just stood out to me. I've said this before, but if we assume that the other two modules will only take 50% of the time it took to make this one, then we likely won't see a beta until 2023. Four years for this TS, two years from now for SWAT, and then a further two for racing brings us to 2023, which is when the beta would release (after all three modules). That's not to say the other two modules will take that long, they may only take a few months (unlikely), but the fact is we are more than likely not going to see any beta prior to 2021, and for some people that is just too long a wait.

Eh, it's not a 4 man group. Those are the forum accounts. They have at least around 15 artists and 3 programmers. Not quite as low as 4 but still very low. To put it into perspective, Fallout 4 took just over 100 people to make, GTA V took much more than 1,000, and Red Dead Redemption (the first one) took over 800 people. As much as I criticise the devs, you gotta hand it to them, this is a huge project and if they pull off half of what they claim to with a team 35x smaller than similar scale games, fair play to them.

Oh my apologies, I falsely assumed you were one of those volunteer moderators from the Identity logo in your signature. My bad.

What does your reply solve here? It was said we would be able to make our own clothing items, and PsiSyn's statement is true. It can't really be a mechanic if we have to pay to get a t-shirt. Saying the item is in concept state adds nothing to the discussion. Do we get to make our own clothing, as was promised, or not?

No. You cannot just flip flop. You stated that the only reason for a December 2016 release date was because they had to put it to the maximum. You cannot just say whatever you feel like to please us, you cannot just change your answer when your first one is proven to be false. Really makes me doubt this answer, as if it was true you would have said it the first time instead of 'Oh they just picked the furthest possible date Kickstarter would allow.' Anytime someone tries to compare Identity to a AAA (notably GTA V) you, and many other criticise that thinking and say that Identity isn't a AAA game and shouldn't be compared to one, yet here you are comparing it to a AAA game. No, it doesn't take 2 years to make a triple A game, but you aren't a triple A game. Also, we aren't worried that you don't have the game done in 2 years, we are worried that it's been 4 years and we don't even have a playable version of the game. How long is it gonna be before we get even a beta? No, the tracker is not up to date. One bug for four months? No, it is not up to date. Also, they did not update it every day. The definition of update with regards to this situation is to 'give (someone) the latest information about something.' No new information = not latest information = not an update. No one is claiming there has been more than 2 release dates, but there has definitely been more than two delays and more than two release frames.

Yes, you can. The original Kickstarter had said that they expected delivery on December 2016. Two years ago. This is a delay. Just because they didn't guarantee a date, does not mean it wasn't delayed. Every time they have said 'soon', it has been delayed. You don't need a date to have a delay. If I said i'll donate to charity soon and then fail to do so in a reasonable amount of time, my donation is delayed even if I never gave a date. This is exactly what I mean, instead of acknowledging you are wrong you will continue to argue against a non-subjective statement. Identity may have only received two release dates, but it has absolutely had more than two delays. If you can't even admit that, it shows that you are being stubborn.

That is lies. There may have only been two specific dates, but there were a lot more promises of the game 'coming soon' and release being 'imminent'. Just because only two specific dates were mentioned doesn't mean there have only been two delays.

I just wanted to say how pleased I am with the dev blog this month. I have been quite critical of Asylum in their whole development process, but it does come from a place of love for this project, not hate. I think the dev blog was very good, I think the gameplay video looks okay. Not the best, but enough to make me impressed. I am not going back on myself though, I still think there have been plenty of problems with the development and every criticism I have made is accurate and factual, however I can give credit where credit is due. I am also so glad you are sticking to not giving out a release date, think it avoids many problems. One thing I will also say is I like how you announced that it will be out before the end of October. I would be annoyed if you came out and said it will be out by Christmas, but you didn't. I do have one criticism, but I will keep my mouth shut for now. Let's just appreciate the good news.

Yes that's fine, that's Steam's problem not Asylums. Thanks.

In a general sense, yes. But if it takes you three days to produce a pile of shit and someone else can do it in an hour, they are more efficient. 9 to 5 has achieved roughly the same thing in less time, meaning they are more efficient. Well maybe it was more than one bug. Point is, they said minor issues. Still has taken them months to fix some 'minor issues' which turned into major issues. My original statement is valid.

Calling someone a hypocrite isn't necessarily an insult. I certainly didn't mean it as a personal attack on his character, I just wanted to show him the hypocrisy that was going on when he complains about people saying the exact same things about Identity that he is saying about Nine to Five. Also when I say he shames people, I don't mean in this sub. He is constantly starting on anyone who uses the same criticisms about this game that he is saying about Nine to Five. Irrelevant. This is exactly the point I was trying to make, he cannot know that it is being rushed. They are being efficient, it's not an opinion. They have produced a similar product to Identity in a quarter of the time. Even if the quality isn't the best, it is efficient. It could be both, we don't know. I am 90% sure the devs said themselves that there was one minor bug to fix, which turned into a major bug when they tried to fix it. I'll find a source soon, busy atm. I'm confused. I understand what they mean, I don't understand the point of this comment.

They have taken so many months to fix 'one minor bug' which turned into a 'major bug'. Months. One bug does not take months. That is not full winging it. I am not nitpicking, I am saying you are a hypocrite. I also didn't say I was a help to this community, that was Beach Ball who said that about me. He agrees with me. I also never said I think ninetofive is better. In fact, I said it looked cheap. You are making all these random assumptions because you are just built to ignore everyone and assume you are always right. You are wrong. They have absolutely accomplished as much as Asylum has, you are just being stubborn if you refuse to admit that.

Based on the few videos we have seen on Identity, it's going to be crap as well. The animations were terrible, and we forgave them because they said they are placeholders. Who's to say the same thing isn't happening here? Not necessarily. It means they are efficient, it just further shows that we have been waiting longer than is standard practise. Same thing here, Identities videos look like crap but you are okay with those and anyone who brings this up gets bombarded with Identity fanboys. Please elaborate on this, because I have seen 0 evidence that Identity has been 'full winging' it either.

You are such a hypocrite. You shame anyone who criticises Identity and here you are making completely speculative statements and presenting them as facts. How do you know the same is garbage, it isn't out yet? How do you know they are rushing? How do you know their mechanics will be minimal? How exactly is Identity more in depth? You would ask these questions if anyone posted your comment in reference to Identity, so take your own advice. This just shows the delusion that goes on in some peoples heads. The sad part is you wont even be man enough to admit it, you will come back with some half-assed response or simply just resort to ad hominem.

Sorry, I meant quantitative. Reputation is not quantitative. And I didn't assume anything, I said if they wanted to walk away and start a new company they could. They don't have anything holding them back. Rockstar do, which makes them much more reliable.

Except reputation isn't a qualitative piece of data. Asylum doesn't have anything on the line, if they butcher/abandon this then they can start a new company behind new usernames and be in no worse position that they are in now. With Rockstar, they have that reputation so they cannot just walk out and start anew. Asylum loses nothing by just abandoning this, starting a new company and start working on a new crowd-funded game. Rockstar loses their portfolio, their brand awareness, their reputation, their capital, etc.

There is a difference with this to be honest. Rockstar is an established game developer/publisher. When they say they are delaying something we can be confident it is for the better, but even more than that we know the product will actually come out. With Identity being Asylums first project, they don't have a reputable portfolio behind them. This game could never come out and they would not suffer anything. Asylum have nothing on the line, thus if they wanted to just abandon this project then they could and take the money. If Rockstar did the same, or any major publisher for that matter, they would kill their reputation. It's a reliability/trust issue.

Trust me this is much better. Other people may prefer having a date, but I much prefer the new model.

I agree with you but I also agree with this: I think 9to5 looks quite low quality but everything else you said is spot on.

Impending release. Almost a month ago now you commented this. You going to admit you were wrong or keep making up excuses for them?

It was a member of Asylum speaking on behalf of Asylum. If he didn't know the answer he should have stated so. I'm not taking him out of context. He literally stated that he is not comfortable confirming the release to be before 2030. This means that the game could still be in development in 2030, which is all I said in my original reply, that it could be 2030. You then said you would run over me in a van. Your the one being irrational, not me.

Please explain where I do not make sense. I didn't need to provide a source because I was answering his question. His question was when is the estimated release date, I said it could be 2030. You don't need to cite every single thing, but if you're so hellbent on trying to catch me out, https://www.twitch.tv/videos/315103672 << That's the video. I'm not finding a timestamp for you, but since you love your due diligence I am sure you won't mind scrolling through a 14 hour video for one line.

I don't think it's a scam. I do think a lot of shady things are going on and some very suspicious actions have instilled doubt in my mind as to the legitimacy of this whole project, but I highly doubt they will just up and disappear with the money. At worst, they will release a highly disappointing game that barely works, but even that isn't likely to be honest. I don't think your argument that because they have put so much into this means it's definitely not a scam. Making some assets and some gameplay videos for a over a million dollars is a pretty good deal. Without the 'proof' of the game existing, they wouldn't have raised half the money. I'm not suggesting this is the case, but they could be releasing false proofs to keep sales coming in.

There is no need for your comment, why do you need to be so toxic. He asked a question, got an answer, end of thread. You just had to show off how superior you are.